Plenty of Price, Not Much Sales

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In part 1 of this two-part blog series, “The Bond Market’s Sell-Off Is Taking Out the Stock Market’s Leaders,” I discussed the trouble currently confronting several mega-cap growth companies. Now let’s look across the entire S&P 500.

Last year, I penned a piece called “The Ghost of Sun Microsystems,” digging into the history of one of the tech bubble’s most legendary computer company’s stocks.

The post-Dot-Com-crash reflection of Sun Micro’s CEO, Scott McNealy, is legendary:

Two years ago we were selling at 10 times revenues when we were at $64. At 10 times revenues, to give you a 10-year payback, I have to pay you 100% of revenues for 10 straight years in dividends. That assumes I can get that by my shareholders. That assumes I have zero cost of goods sold, which is very hard for a computer company. That assumes zero expenses, which is really hard with 39,000 employees. That assumes I pay no taxes, which is very hard. And that assumes you pay no taxes on your dividends, which is kind of illegal. And that assumes with zero R&D for the next 10 years, I can maintain the current revenue run rate. Now, having done that, would any of you like to buy my stock at $64? Do you realize how ridiculous those basic assumptions are? You don’t need any transparency. You don’t need any footnotes. What were you thinking?

I guess we could say that Sun Micro had plenty of price, but not much sales.

Today, there are 59 stocks in the S&P 500 that trade at 10 or more times revenue.

Figure 1: Members of the S&P 500 with Price/Sales Ratio > 10

Figure 1_Members of the SP 500 with Price Sales Ratio 10

Such valuations are likely a by-product of the “TINA” trade—own stocks because “There Is No Alternative” in a low-rate world. It worked famously when the bond market rallied for years on end.

What happens when the bond market goes the other direction?

Fixed income’s red ink may just be getting started. Even after about a half year of yields rising, the 10-Year U.S. Treasury yield has not yet flirted with 2%; it remains 43 basis points lower than the average inflation rate of the last three years. 

Figure 2: 10-Year Treasury Yield Minus 3-Year Average U.S. Consumer Price Inflation (CPI)

Figure 2_10-Year Treasury Yield Minus 3-Year Average U.S. Consumer Price Inflation

With Brent crude oil attacking $65 and U.S. home prices up 11% over the last year, to name just two inflation indicators, it may be wise to recall that the 10-Year t-note touched 3.24% as recently as November 2018.

Take it closer to home, to expectations for inflation in the next few years. The bond market anticipates annual price increases of 2.37% between now and 2026 (figure 3). 

Figure 3: U.S. Five-Year Breakeven Inflation Rate

Figure 3_U.S. Five-Year Breakeven Inflation Rate

Meanwhile, in figure 4, the 30-Year Treasury bond appears to be doing one of two things: 

1) Preparing for a repeat of the “Roaring ’20s,” or 

2) Bracing for years of imbalanced budgets in Washington

In contrast, the 2-Year Treasury yield’s slow drift lower could be a pointing to a “Snoring ’20s.”

Figure 4: Near-Term Yields Declining, Long-Term Yields Rising

Figure 4NearTerm Yields Declining LongTerm Yields Rising

Quizzically, the Street expects the Federal Reserve (Fed) to hold off on rate hikes until the cows come home, yet the consensus also expects the labor market to be on fire, with just 4.6% unemployment in 2022. It’s hard to conceptualize how the Fed can continue to pin short rates at zero if jobs bounce back that strongly.

At the rate that commodities and house prices are surging, expectations for an accommodative Fed could get dashed. A newfound pivot to a rising rate regime—in both short and long rates—makes assets that promise distant cash flows look vulnerable, owing to the math behind present value calculations.

Stocks that trade for 10, 20, 30 times sales, many based on hopes and dreams of robust profits in 2025 or 2030 or beyond, may look appealing to some investors when Treasury rates are 0% or 1%—because future fortunes can be discounted at a tiny cost of capital.

But send interest rates up a point or two and the math changes.

If and when the five dozen or so companies in the S&P 500 with a price-to-sales ratio above 10 fall out of favor, it may be stocks with nearer-term cash flows that get the last laugh.

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Head of Equity Strategy
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Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Jeff has a B.S. in Finance from the University of Florida and an MBA from Notre Dame. He has been a CFA charterholder and a member of the CFA Society of Chicago since 2006. He has appeared in various financial publications such as Barron’s and the Wall Street Journal and makes regular appearances on Canada’s Business News Network (BNN) and Wharton Business Radio.