Interview with Philadelphia Fed President Pat Harker
Over the last three years, I have had the pleasure of hosting a weekly SiriusXM Wharton Business Radio program, “Behind the Markets” (channel 111), every Friday at 1:00 p.m. EST.
Wharton Professor Jeremy Siegel, my co-host, and I discuss the market trends and economy with strategists, economists and the investment community. Recently we spoke with Philadelphia Federal Reserve president Pat Harker. You can listen to the full podcast here.
Harker, a former dean of Wharton, brings a fresh perspective to the Philadelphia Federal Reserve. He has a background in operations and information management. He is a self-described “quant,” but his background is not in the traditional econ Ph.D. mold of monetary policy.
Harker is a voting member of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) this year. This means he can dissent on policies if he finds the Federal Reserve (Fed) is not moving fast enough—or if it starts moving too fast—so it was interesting to hear his views on where the economy stands and how many interest rate hikes he sees coming.
Harker penciled in three hikes on his “dot plot” for 2017, subject to a lot of uncertainty and revision. He had above-average estimates for growth in the economy: 2.3% in 2017 and 2.1% in 2018 and 2019—a bit higher than the rest of his Fed committee but not by a large amount. He also mentioned that these estimates do not factor in any additional stimulus from the incoming administration. Harker sees unemployment continuing to drift below the natural rate and thus more wage pressures.
Wage Pressures Mounting
Harker provided an interesting anecdote on wage pressures that could cause the Fed to tighten policy more aggressively. There was a hospital in his third district that last year had given a nice wage hike to its nurses, but this year pushed through another 9% wage hike to retain and please the staff. This is a sign of more tightness in the labor market. Harker points out that these wage pressures are coming from a continued secular, demographic-driven decline in the labor force participation rates. And he sees these pressures in labor force declines continuing in other industries as well.
On Student Debt: Too Many Attending College?
In addition to some general talk on Fed policy, inflation and growth, Harker has been commenting on areas he feels have reached the limits of monetary policy in helping the economy and that need other measures.
One area he focused on is human capital growth—and the training and education we invest into young people. As former dean of both Wharton and the University of Delaware, he speaks with a unique voice here.
It was thus very interesting to hear Harker say that he thought too many young people are going to college. One practice he sees as a potential solution to all this student debt: a model similar to Germany, where they use apprenticeship programs to give high school graduates more on-the-job training and then have fewer people attending college.
While Wharton would certainly not endorse this view, I often consider my education there as being mini-trade school-esque. It prepared me well for a career in finance. Yet even if that was perhaps among the most practically minded programs, I still did not learn anywhere near as much as when I started my hands-on work on real-world projects in my job. Harker’s model has a deep intuitive appeal to me, and now at the Philadelphia Fed he has a platform to influence policy in this direction. It will be interesting to watch his efforts.
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Jeremy Schwartz has served as our Global Chief Investment Officer since November 2021 and leads WisdomTree’s investment strategy team in the construction of WisdomTree’s equity Indexes, quantitative active strategies and multi-asset Model Portfolios. Jeremy joined WisdomTree in May 2005 as a Senior Analyst, adding Deputy Director of Research to his responsibilities in February 2007. He served as Director of Research from October 2008 to October 2018 and as Global Head of Research from November 2018 to November 2021. Before joining WisdomTree, he was a head research assistant for Professor Jeremy Siegel and, in 2022, became his co-author on the sixth edition of the book Stocks for the Long Run. Jeremy is also co-author of the Financial Analysts Journal paper “What Happened to the Original Stocks in the S&P 500?” He received his B.S. in economics from The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania and hosts the Wharton Business Radio program Behind the Markets on SiriusXM 132. Jeremy is a member of the CFA Society of Philadelphia.